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@fatherjoemartin i am a recovering aa myself. i can not stand it when someone in aa tries to teach me something, or preaches to me, or tries to tell me “what i need to do”. i would give me left arm to have father martin teach me and tell me what i need to do to stay sober. he speaks with such grace and humility it brings tears of joy to my eyes. i am so sad he passed. you were lucky to have seen him right before he passed
@MikeDSept21 The biggest liars & cheaters & nutjobs are the people with a lot of time..
@MikeDSept21 There’s over 35 different 12-Step organizations world wide, all of which have saved thousands, if not millions of lives, but it only works if you want it.
@breda83 I can honestly say that I’ve never met him. I’m sure he was one of the worlds biggest lying, cheating, manipulative SOB’s ever, just like the rest of the people when they first walked into a meeting. 12 step programs have a lot more to do with the therapeutic value of 2 people who share the same disease helping each other. It’s way bigger than 1 person. No one person is perfect. Bill W begged for whiskey on his death bed. Personally, I say why not. LOL.
@MikeDSept21 Was Bill W a decent Human Being?
@MikeDSept21 So you think I haven’t suffered enough? What an arrogant obnoxious thing to say. Where is your so-called “humility” now? You have stopped drinking & using and that is good but 99% of people in recovery delude themselves that this program is some Divine Gift from Heaven and that they are all angels. The ‘Disease bullshit is only an excuse to fall back on when members lie,cheat & steal from other members. Bill W used it on his wife all the time.
@breda83 You sound like you had a bad experience or two in a meeting. I’m sorry to hear that, but it happens. Not every person at the meetings is there for recovery. Some go to buy and sell drugs, some go to get laid, and some people go for recovery. You’ll find what you’re looking for. I go for the recovery. I don’t care what anyone else does, I’m there to get better. I focus on the important discussions and ignore the BS. Some people just haven’t suffered enough yet to take it seriously.
@MikeDSept21 yes, the delusion, the lies, the anger, the arrogance, etc….
@breda83 I don’t have to look far, I sit right by them most the time. Should I be looking for something specific?
@MikeDSept21 Take a look around at the old-timers in the rooms
I think EVERYONE should live by a 12 step program. It’s basically “How To Be A Decent Human Being For Dummies”. It’s helped me tremendously.
@pianoscotskenny yes I will look to perfection at being free from character defects/mistakes/faults/shortcomings but I will never make that ideal and knowing that I have rebelled at every chance of developement in this area I have not made it easy for myself but then my way only got me drunk…and in prayer that my HP will remove them all in time is ongoing but in the mean time I will have to keep putting the work in and continue in my journey of “Character Building”
@opendtuning. im sure your “grasp” of the “a.ltered a.ttitide” we take in approaching our defects & shortcomings is what its all about. im conviced if AA didnt stand for “alcoholics anonymous” it could well stand for “altered attitudes” throughout.Good AA practitioners help us to “see”…without self loathing..”We recovered alcoholics are not so much brothers & sisters in virtue as we are brothers & sisters in our defects & in our common strivings to overcome them”. (Book:”As Bill sees it p167)
by discovering our character defects means that we can then practice the opposite of them not be guilty and remorsful of them…and that will keep me busy for the rest of my life…
in all faiths,only 3 stages to spiritual maturity exist. “Accept ourselves” “Be ourselves” then “forget ourselves”.Perhaps its co-incidence (or God-incidence) that AAs steps offer the same “journey”.Step1 asks us “to accept ourselves as we are”..powerless &broken,but to do it with a sense of ease rather than self-loathing…as the wars over. Steps 2-11 “be ourselves” in “our” chosen belief..”our inventory”..”our” ammends “our” prayer style,then..Step12 asks “to forget ourselves”& reach others †
@bdavfava i think your mixing up the concept of god and the book called the bible.
my father was a chronic alcoholic and was on deaths door,he entered AA doors 31 years ago and hasnt drunk since..so to all the doubters AA works if you want it to work,if you dont want it and feel you can handle your hooch,good luck and my hat is off to you…
Now I’m on my 4th step should I become a Priest?
AA is a specifica application of a methodolgy called “Buchananism’/Oxford” Group, that was a national phenomomenon in the 1930s but was largely discredited in the 1940s, as fanatical
‘AA’ is basically “Buchananism” ‘”hardcoded” into the issue of alcohol problems, and has endured in a life of it’s own beyond Buchananism
God is great (as long as your not a homosexual). The bible is full of usefull information about slavery and who should be killed.
I was born and raised catholic. I was brought up in a strict family where I was continually made aware of all my defects. AA inventories just remind me of confession and what I needed most was something to boost my sense of self esteem – not another reason to feel guilty about every possible shortcomming I could uncover. But hey, this process of constant moral inventory might help some people. Whatever works…
blessed are the poor in spirit for the kingdom of heaven is theirs———-JC——————————————————————————–The rich are not blessed spiritually and heaven is not theirs but rather the poor are blessed spiritually and heaven is theirs——-Christ was exactly correct because rich people can only be blessed if they give all they have to the poor and this would end up making them poor and therefor they would qualify for heaven-understand?
I thought this talk made sense, as all the steps do as to clean house and face myself was a huge stride for me and didn’t happen instantly. I struggled. But eventually I experienced a freedom I only dreamt about which has gone on for 23 sober years…one day at a time.
Look, the best criticism of the bad is to quietly go and do it better. If we do our research we find that Love and hate are not opposites, and actually love and indifference are. Therefore, if we are passionate about something it is tantamount to loving it. So, perhaps such passion as displayed masks a deeper need that is so close as to render it invisible our consciousness – much like the denial of the alcoholic. If not, then no worries – I still love you… X
Then your not An Alcoholic or Addicted.
That’s great lots of people aren’t.
real bronson would have amputated his hands with an army knife
In Guelph, Ontario we call the sponsors “HELPER MONKEYS” because they do for the new-comer what he should do for himself. FISTS & BOOTS @#$!* !!!
Great
Great… short and funny… sweet!
That was a fantastic line.
“How ’bout a shot of lead?” *threatening point*
CLASSIC! hahaha
oh shit, someone else posted that… but it’s great, so I’ll be unoriginal, for the sake of congratulating a job well done!
“How about a shot of lead?” Hilarious!
Awesome! if I ever have a drinking problem I know who to turn to! You guys rock!