Step 7: We humbly asked him (God) to remove our shortcomings. Won’t just any old kind of “ask” do? No. It won’t — and here’s why…
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Having been a student of the basic text of AA,I feel that when it comes to finding God that is a personal search.God is or he is not.Our Book says do not prejudice others with your concept of God let him follow his own conscience.Step 3 tells me to quit playing God,and our Bokk indicates that no further authentication will be required.The steps work without putting bells on them.Dont talk about them DO THEM ! Peace and out
12 steps should take you to the foot of the cross of Christ.
Praise Jesus!!!!
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My bad! We are located in Richmond, Virginia, USA.
Is that in the States am in uk
So glad you like this video. We have these videos on DVD as a full set, steps 1 – 12. We can mail you a set. Call us at 804 677 7825 for details.
do you have anything on step 6.
Thanx for this one.
@jboucher97 A Narcotics Anonymous chat room on Paltalk, circa July, 2008. A visit to the site today reveals it has been inactive since 2009. Search Narcotics Anonymous paltalk. Mike BD
Yet noone seems to be able/willing to produce the actual origins of this video.
@jboucher97 Conspiracy theories abound, no doubt it. Mike BD
I suspect that this was not actually recorded in an online Narcotics Anonymous Group Chat. Can anyone either confirm or contradict my suspicions with a piece of credible evidence? Thank you.
Can you please tell me where to find the online Narcotics Anonymous Group Chat that this was recorded from? Thank you.
@jboucher97 First, I don’t know if they are your NA members or not, merely that they represented themselves as mmebers in an on-line chat group. Second, we believe it genuinely helps very few. Third, step members usually believe themselves qualified to render psychological guidance to the less-indoctrinated. Finally, these videos are intended to forewarn those headed to the 12-step church, and to validate those who have been there and found it lacking. Mike BD
Please answer my question as to whether any of the comments in this video are made my Narcotics Anonymous members.
Second, please correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that twelve step meetings help noone. Is this correct?
Third, it also sounds like you’re saying twelve-step meetings employ the use of psychologists. Is this correct?
Finally, it also sounds like you are saying that this video helps people needing help to find it. What might that help be? Thank you.
@jboucher97 You are asserting that steppism actually helps those suffering from substance abuse issues, a claim with which we disagree. If our videos cause one person needing help to actually find it rather than end up in the rooms of the 12-step movement, with its self-denying religion, quack psychologists, and faith healing, we have been successful. Steppism isn’t treatment, it is snake-oil. Mike BD
Can you tell me if any of the comments in this video were made by NA members? Secondly, I never said that the retention rate is your fault. However, if this video discourages even one addict, alcoholic, or person needing help from finding that help, it could have potentially lethal results, not to mention the other devastation that comes from untreated addiction, alcoholism, …
@jboucher97 NA, XA, and AA are terms we use interchangeably, since they are all sub-sects of the 12-step movement. Same church, different, pew. XA has always had an abysmal retention rate. How does that become our fault? Mike BD
I won’t disagree that the things said in this video are hurtful. However, I am wondering how you know that your videos do very little to affect AA’s retention rate. Also, I have been noticing that you have been referring to AA when responding to my comments, yet the title of the video is Online Narcotics Anonymous Group Chat. Can you please explain the connection for me. Thank you.
@jboucher97 Those who say and do the things described in this video hurt people in the rooms. Those who deny, conceal and blame the messengers when these truths are bought to light facilitate that hurt. Our videos do very little to affect AA’s 5% one-year retention rate of all who go there, for whatever reason. AA had lousy overall results long before the first video went up. Mike BD
Again thank you for your reply. As I had implied in my previous statement, this video is hurting people in the rooms who have not hurt you and people who may be turned away from the rooms by this video without ever giving the rooms a chance.
@jboucher97 I had great experiences in AA, particularly the one where I resigned and left for good. Who, precisely is this video hurting? Mike BD
Thank you for your prompt reply. Again, I am sorry for your experience. However, this video is hurting people who have done nothing to you. I don’t deny that you may have had a bad experience with some of the people in the rooms. However, this makes all of the people in the rooms look bad, which isn’t fair to them or anyone else who won’t give them a chance based on this video.
@jboucher97 Our experiences with the 12-step movement were fairly typical. Not all our videos are like this one, so please keep watching until you find one that strikes a chord with you. Mike BD
I am sorry you had a bad experience with 12 step recovery. However, all meetings are not like this. Please do not bias others who have not had a chance to attend meetings and make that decision for themselves.
all this is bullshit the na a program has saved my life!
@1000medical I checked for any cult references in this video, and don’t see any. As for your opinion, you are welcome to it. Mike BD
A cult is a particular system of religious worship with reference to it rites and ceremonies. NA and AA believe in a Higher Power in which it’s members can have any religious views. One thing about sobriety there is no one why in which someone can stay clean for the rest of there life. My opinion is that you are scared and not really sure in your own sobriety and that is why you feel you have to put someone elses choice and decisions down. Find another cause to support and not tear down.
@MrRyanesmyth Re-read the title of the video. Mike BD
Tradition 6…an NA group ought never endorse finance or LEND the NA name to ANY related facility or outside enterprise lest problems of money property or prestige divert us from our primary purpose
Tradition 10…NA has no opinion on outside issues hence the NA name ought never be drawn into public controversy
READ THE TRADITIONS this is not affiliated with NA and should not! be referd to as such!
You/ they are using the term “NA” meeting or “AA” meeting and NA narcotics anonymous is not affiliated wit any online chats,groups, or meeting there fore they shouldn refered to as NA im not sure about AA but im pretty sure they arent affiliated with any of these groups either!!!!!!
Step programs produce delusional people dependent on the program and on imaginary friends of their own invention.
@MrDaemonB they arnt meant to be but they are..in essence I met more dates and johns and drug dealer at meeting then people who actually wanna help..I know what your saying but you have to accept that it is what it is!