A cult? Are you out of your mind?
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Part 4 Sample of what to expect when in an AA meeting!
?? Alcoholics Anonymous is a Cult ??
July 9, 2010 By 50 Comments
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@SkullVodka I still do not understand why people like yourself who do not attend AA and who are probably not “proper alcoholics” want to tell us who have successfull sobriety through AA how useless AA actually is. Can you not see how illogical it is?
It is good for you that you also have a solution to your problem, have you ever thought of showing others what works for you?
@SkullVodka” And if you have to go to AA meetings after 41 years, you are just doing it for the cult factor. ”
People go to many social groups for many years and some do it because they like to give something back and to help it continue for others to find help and benefit.
Are Hells Angels wrong for staying in their clubs for years, are people wrong for attending church for years.I think it is healthy to belong and to be part of.
@SkullVodka” It’s pathetic when people are powerless over their own behaviour”.
No one is perfect and if we could all change on our own then there woud be no need for psychologists, therapists and many other people that offer help in our communitys.
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@SkullVodka And to say that you are “powerless” is super weak
Is it really weak to admit that one cannot control their alcohol consumption and that they need help?
@SkullVodka AA’s success rate is fucking horrible. Many studies estimate 5% after 3 years
For the 5 % its fantastic. My glass is half full
@Oreopithicus AA is actually a detriment to alcoholics seeking sobriety. In fact all “support” groups and “12 step” groups are a hurdle in recovery. We now know better. Just as we no longer employ bloodletting to cast out the demons, we must move on, as we know better now. AA is a dying relic of a superstitious age and an ignorant mindset. Drinking is a behaviour. The brain loves habit. It’s simple really.
I am not “powerless”. I am not stupid. I know I drank for pleasure. Thats it.
Irrationality, Rigidity, Anti-Intellectualism are the nuts and bolts of AA.
To AA believers, AA doctrine must be correct, as it is written. No one may speak of the incoherence of AA doctrine, and group interaction is designed to prevent or contain skepticism. “Your best thinking got you here.” “There’s no one too dumb to get this program, but many are too intelligent.” “Expect a miracle.”
Talk about dogma. What’s with AA’s bad PR problem of late? It’s called “thinking”. AA needs retooling.
@Oreopithicus “Maybe AA needs to focus on educating rather then proselytizing.” Maybe anyone should be more like
live by their talking
but
talk for a living.
@Oreopithicus “… does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react–to say that would be absurd. Of course, he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.”
Further investigation and experimentation have confirmed the findings of Isaac Newton in the 17th Century and it is now definitely established that a rocket can function in a vacuum as well as in an atmosphere. The Times regrets the error.”
@Oreopithicus (1)
The New York Times printed the following on page 43 under the headline, “A Correction”:
On January 13, 1920, “Topics of the Times,” an editorial-page feature of the New York Times, dismissed the notion that a rocket could function in a vacuum and commented on the ideas of Robert H. Goddard, the rocket pioneer, as follows: “That Professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution,…”
@Oreopithicus – sobriety is empowering, and AA gave me my life back. I could not stay sober by my own devices, but in AA I found a power greater than myself – the AA fellowship. Without question, AA is the greatest support group in the world. Free, available everywhere and extremely effective FOR ALCOHOLICS. I would wager that almost every AA basher on YT is NOT an alcoholic.
@quickcap The big book needs to be re-written and forgotten. There is so much wrong with that book, I dont know where to begin. Taking the overwhelming religiosity and helplessness out would be a great start. BTW, clinical psychologists are shying away from 12 step programs now. Why is this? Because they dont work.
@andreasheinz The copy and paste message doesnt work well with me. It’s so Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s funny that so many people at AA meetings speak about their “disease”. Maybe AA needs to focus on educating rather then proselytizing.
@andreasheinz – A very true observation. Where I lived at that time, our meetings were overwhelmed by Coke addicts, straight out of rehab, and yes, indeed, they came to AA wanting to”teach” rather than listen.
Most of us oldtimers left and started new unlisted meetings just to preserve “heart of the program”
Good post. Thank you!
@andreasheinz – “Orange Pampers” I LOVE it!
@quickcap IMO too many aa-members are like this: “We admitted we could not control our lives and our drinking WILL become unmanageable”.
It seems I don’t like Kurtz the way you don’t like orange-pampers? (lolz)
@Oreopithicus “The published AAGV reflects this complex story…But by the late 1980s that began to change. More consistently now, older members observed that newcomers who had been in treatment programs seemed to come to A.A. to teach rather than to learn. And one of the big things about which they wanted to teach was the disease-concept of alcoholism, which oldtime members realized had very little if anything to do with living AA’s Twelve Steps, the heart of its program.”
(E Kurtz)
@Oreopithicus – If I was going to re-write the Big Book, I would change the first step to read: “We admitted we could not control our drinking and our lives had become unmanageable”
Do you like that better? It means the same thing
Making people feel like they are “powerless” is a sure indicator to the indoctrination process of a cult. And on top of that, they want to you to keep coming back forever, because you are always going to be powerless and helpless. People are catching on to the dogmatic and futile under pinnings of the cult of AA.
Rational recovery, where you take responsibility for your actions and behavior is superior.
@SkullVodka – don’t try to tell ME about the success of AA. Your information is coming from toxic sources. My information comes from many years of sobriety combined with the experience of working (successfully) with hundreds of alcoholics.
Dead cult leaders are still cult leaders, Bill W.
Idiots still quote the Big Cult Book of AA.
AA is a cult of name calling, & it’s goal is to create a loser identity and use name calling dogma like “keep it simple stupid”, this is how AA uses insult to manipulate people into an endless 12 step cult religion.
The 12 step cult ‘dis-ease’ concept is crap and clearly doesn’t work. All AA does is create powerless people who just spout 12 step cult dogma.
@SkullVodka – I love your screen name. Mister Popov was my god. Hal-pints, Blue label (100 proof) one after another, after another, after another for years on end.
I’TS GREAT TO BE FREE, and I NEVER COULD have done it without AA
@SkullVodka – I still attend meetings because I enjoy it. I haven’t had the desire for a drink for over 30 years. Alcoholism is more complex than a psychological addiction. There are physical factors (liver, brain, pancreaus) which take the advanced alcoholic into the realm of insanity and “powerlessness”.
Hi Leslie!
Look at the RID website and see if you can find an interpreter near your area. Good luck! Hope that helps SH
@lesliegg1961
Can you tell me where to find an interpretor? Someone in our Area (NA) is deaf and needs meetings. Thanks
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wooow!! is amazing how she expresses averything with her hand ,id love to one day be able to understand every word she is saying just by looking at her.
Lmao. Why is everyone so angry. Lighten up guys.
Yeah, you right, the courts shouldn’t send them to AA if their drunken assess to AA they such just send the m*therf*ckers to jail! Why give them as 2nd chance to get their shit together?
God that illiterate rant is enough to make me go blind. Are you a Latrino or something? Sheesh go back to mexico.
Wisdom from the big book….quote
“God does not care if you drink yourself to death. He proves it daily as drunks die. God does not tell you when you have had enough, again proven daily. God does not ask you to quit, nore help you quit.
All these things are up to you alone.
rot in hell bitch
Thanks for comment! Are you referring to court ordered drug rehab/counseling/treatment? One could argue that penalties imposed by courts are unconstitutional: attending victim panels, not bearing arms etc… The courts do have jurisdiction to assess penalties/fees. Anyway, most AA mtg attendees are voluntary. D/HH people enjoy the same freedom of choice. SH
It is entirely possible, but not very likely. Thanks to A.A., I’ve lost the desire to drink that I once had. Through A.A. I learned that “Blame” is a wasted emotion…and that every moment spent in blame is a moment stolen from the opportunity to find constructive solutions to my problems. Now that I solve my problems through constructive action rather than destructive ones, life has become far more manageable. Even affronts such as yours now slide like so much water off a duck’s back.
Yea I am sure that her signing reminded you to pick up a 10 years chip and you ll get drunk on the 11th.
Oooooooooooh,geeeze,now in sign language.Now u can manipulate people into subjugating to a program of religious indoctrination. Is bad enough u have takies taking AA kaka.Please don’t harm deaf people doing the same.A typical meeting of AA is a whole bunch of people repeating&parroting&talking a lot about how they use to get drunk,like I really need to remember that when 1 is tring to stop We have not come to realized yet that forcing people to go to AA meetings is unconstitutional.Look it up.
Hi FED! Thanks for the note! Sorry so slow in responding! Busy lately. Cool 9/9/99 ;o) ! Have a great weekend! SH
Shelllium, Thanks for the great explanation of what goes on in an A.A. meeting. I’m sure this video will not only help terps, but also deaf / hh who are looking for recovery and considering A.A. as a possible option. Which reminds me, I need to pick up my 10 year chip. My S/D is 9/9/99. FED P.S. My daughter is digging you vids now as well and agrees with me….you’re the L/H palm down, RUL, R/H upward squashed “O” drops down to open 5 (hint: think “explosion.” )
ohhh alright… sorry about that
;o) I’m an interpreter…;o) this is a sample for ASL interpreters
Take care!! SH
wait a second… shes deaf….this is def not your typical AA meeting
Hi peacock43~
Glad that was helpful ;o) Most mtgs go less than 2 hrs so I would do them solo. The client I was working with was very savvy and would let the group know that the terp was bound to confidentiality etc… explaining the terp role. If someone was uncomfortable with having a terp, they usually were put at ease by the clarification of terp role, and by the end of the mtg were used to having an interpreter in the mtg. Good questions! ;o) Take care! SH
Sure happy to post!
SH
Thanks so much for posting this series, Shellium! This was very helpful to me, and I’m sure I’ll use it as a reference in future endeavors. Take care!
-Ayb
Great series. Thank you! Just curious, do you usually do those solo or do you team on those? How long are they? Any problems with the group accepting terps or trust confidentiality? Do you address that when you go in? Thanks for your vlogs. They’re great!
Sure! Thanks for the comment ;o)
SH
Excellent teaching video of things done in a meeting…never attended one but glad to know they are there and work. Your interpretation of the Lords prayer was beautiful too…